The People of the State of Michigan - - - (Complainants) VS William Shimmel - - - (Defendant) |
Thomas McCarthy Cross Examination |
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and having charge of it at different times for him? |
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I don’t know, he might while I was not there I can’t say. |
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How long have you lived there. |
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41 years. |
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And how long has your cousin lived there? |
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He has lived there ever since he was born. |
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And you don’t know of his ever having anything to do for Mr. Golden of your own knowledge? |
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No, sir, I don’t for I ‘aint around there a great deal. |
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How long has Mr. Golden run this store? |
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I can’t tell exactly, I guess probably two years. |
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What did he do before that? |
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He used to teach school and run a threshing machine in the fall before school. |
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He lived right there in the same place? |
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No, sir, he lived at Coopersville before he moved down there. |
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Are you a married man? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Got a family? |
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No, sir. |
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How much of a family? |
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I say I haven’t. |
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You haven’t any family. You are married though are you? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And is your cousin married? |
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No, sir. |
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He lives with his folks? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Now during the two years that Golden was there the store used to be a kind of a rendezvous for you fellows to meet in the evening I suppose and talk over matters? |
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We would go there for our mail and sit there and talk about one thing and another. |
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And then go back home? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And you were pretty well acquainted with Golden? |
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Yes, sir, pretty well acquainted with him. |
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And you met his wife occasionally I suppose? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And you used to go to school with her did you? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And were personally acquainted with her practically all your life? |
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Yes, sir. |
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What was her name, Minnie what before she was married? |
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FitzPatrick. |
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My brother informs me that she lived in the next house west of you on the same road? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And lived there for a great many years? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Now then how long after he died was it that the funeral occurred? |
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Four days. |
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That would be on Thursday would it? |
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Friday I think. |
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He died Monday night - - Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday? |
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I think so. |
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What time on Friday do your remember? |
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I think it was ten o’clock. |
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Don’t you know what time it was? |
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(No response) |
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Who conducted the funeral services, what father was it - - it was under the Roman religion, wasn’t it? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Do you remember what father conducted the services, the funeral services? |
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(No response) |
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Don’t you know? |
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I ‘aint sure, I think it was Father Malone. |
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You know Father Malone do you? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Did you see him there that morning at the funeral? |
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Yes, sir. |
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You did? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And you saw him conduct the services, did you? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Now how long did the services last can you tell? |
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Probably about an hour. |
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And you were there present at the services? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Was your cousin there? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Was it in the church or at the house? |
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At the church. |
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There is a church situated there in Denison with reference to this store? |
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It is about three quarters of a mile west or northwest of the store. |
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Three quarters of a mile west? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Is that down by your place? |
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Yes, sir. |
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West of you? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Quite a large funeral wasn’t it? |
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Yes, sir, it was. |
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And you were present at the services and so was your cousin? |
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I think he was. |
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Don’t you know? |
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I ‘aint positive now. |
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But you are positive that you were there? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And you think it was Father Malone do you? |
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I think it was, I know he was there and I think it was him. |
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Did you see Father Moss there? |
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Yes, sir. |
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How do you know that it was not him that conducted the service? |
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I know it wasn’t him. |
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You know it was not? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Now after the night of the shooting what time did you go home in the morning? |
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Well I think it was about five o’clock, between half past four and five I think. |
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About between four and five o’clock? |
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Between half past four and five, around there. |
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And Mrs. Golden, had she gone to bed? |
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No, sir. |
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She stayed up all night did she? |
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Yes, sir. |
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And did you try to quiet her during the evening? |
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No, sir. |
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Or did some of the women folks? |
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The women folks. |
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What time the next day did you go back to the Golden house? |
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To the store? |
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To the Golden house. |
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Why I think it was along about two o’clock. |
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In the afternoon? |
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After dinner, I think it was along abut that time. |
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And did you help lay him out? |
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No, sir. |
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Who did? |
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I don’t know. |
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Was there an undertaker there? |
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I think there was. |
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Where did he come from do you know? |
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He come from Coopersville. |