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   The People of the State of Michigan - - - (Complainants) VS William Shimmel - - - (Defendant)  | 
 
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   Thomas McCarthy Cross Examination  | 
 
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   and having charge of it at different times for him?  | 
 
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   I don’t know, he might while I was not there I can’t say.  | 
 
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   How long have you lived there.  | 
 
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   41 years.  | 
 
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   And how long has your cousin lived there?  | 
 
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   He has lived there ever since he was born.  | 
 
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   And you don’t know of his ever having anything to do for Mr. Golden of your own knowledge?  | 
 
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   No, sir, I don’t for I ‘aint around there a great deal.  | 
 
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   How long has Mr. Golden run this store?  | 
 
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   I can’t tell exactly, I guess probably two years.  | 
 
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   What did he do before that?  | 
 
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   He used to teach school and run a threshing machine in the fall before school.  | 
 
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   He lived right there in the same place?  | 
 
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   No, sir, he lived at Coopersville before he moved down there.  | 
 
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   Are you a married man?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Got a family?  | 
 
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   No, sir.  | 
 
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   How much of a family?  | 
 
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   I say I haven’t.  | 
 
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   You haven’t any family. You are married though are you?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And is your cousin married?  | 
 
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   No, sir.  | 
 
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   He lives with his folks?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Now during the two years that Golden was there the store used to be a kind of a rendezvous for you fellows to meet in the evening I suppose and talk over matters?  | 
 
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   We would go there for our mail and sit there and talk about one thing and another.  | 
 
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   And then go back home?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And you were pretty well acquainted with Golden?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir, pretty well acquainted with him.  | 
 
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   And you met his wife occasionally I suppose?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And you used to go to school with her did you?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And were personally acquainted with her practically all your life?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   What was her name, Minnie what before she was married?  | 
 
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   FitzPatrick.  | 
 
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   My brother informs me that she lived in the next house west of you on the same road?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And lived there for a great many years?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Now then how long after he died was it that the funeral occurred?  | 
 
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   Four days.  | 
 
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   That would be on Thursday would it?  | 
 
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   Friday I think.  | 
 
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   He died Monday night - - Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday?  | 
 
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   I think so.  | 
 
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   What time on Friday do your remember?  | 
 
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   I think it was ten o’clock.  | 
 
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   Don’t you know what time it was?  | 
 
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   (No response)  | 
 
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   Who conducted the funeral services, what father was it - - it was under the Roman religion, wasn’t it?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Do you remember what father conducted the services, the funeral services?  | 
 
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   (No response)  | 
 
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   Don’t you know?  | 
 
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   I ‘aint sure, I think it was Father Malone.  | 
 
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   You know Father Malone do you?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Did you see him there that morning at the funeral?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   You did?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And you saw him conduct the services, did you?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Now how long did the services last can you tell?  | 
 
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   Probably about an hour.  | 
 
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   And you were there present at the services?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Was your cousin there?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Was it in the church or at the house?  | 
 
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   At the church.  | 
 
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   There is a church situated there in Denison with reference to this store?  | 
 
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   It is about three quarters of a mile west or northwest of the store.  | 
 
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   Three quarters of a mile west?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Is that down by your place?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   West of you?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Quite a large funeral wasn’t it?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir, it was.  | 
 
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   And you were present at the services and so was your cousin?  | 
 
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   I think he was.  | 
 
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   Don’t you know?  | 
 
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   I ‘aint positive now.  | 
 
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   But you are positive that you were there?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And you think it was Father Malone do you?  | 
 
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   I think it was, I know he was there and I think it was him.  | 
 
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   Did you see Father Moss there?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   How do you know that it was not him that conducted the service?  | 
 
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   I know it wasn’t him.  | 
 
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   You know it was not?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   Now after the night of the shooting what time did you go home in the morning?  | 
 
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   Well I think it was about five o’clock, between half past four and five I think.  | 
 
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   About between four and five o’clock?  | 
 
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   Between half past four and five, around there.  | 
 
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   And Mrs. Golden, had she gone to bed?  | 
 
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   No, sir.  | 
 
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   She stayed up all night did she?  | 
 
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   Yes, sir.  | 
 
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   And did you try to quiet her during the evening?  | 
 
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   No, sir.  | 
 
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   Or did some of the women folks?  | 
 
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   The women folks.  | 
 
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   What time the next day did you go back to the Golden house?  | 
 
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   To the store?  | 
 
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   To the Golden house.  | 
 
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   Why I think it was along about two o’clock.  | 
 
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   In the afternoon?  | 
 
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   After dinner, I think it was along abut that time.  | 
 
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   And did you help lay him out?  | 
 
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   No, sir.  | 
 
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   Who did?  | 
 
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   I don’t know.  | 
 
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   Was there an undertaker there?  | 
 
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   I think there was.  | 
 
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   Where did he come from do you know?  | 
 
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   He come from Coopersville.  |