The People of the State of Michigan - - - (Complainants) VS William Shimmel - - - (Defendant) |
Edward McCarthy Cross Examination |
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Now then when was the funeral held, Friday? |
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I think it was, I wouldn’t be sure as to what day, only they held it in two or three days. |
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Do you know who held the Mass there, who read Mass? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Who? |
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Father Moss. |
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Father Moss? |
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Yes, sir. |
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It was not Father Malone? |
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No, sir, I think it was Father Moss, I wasn’t in the church, the church was so full I couldn’t get in, I know Father Moss preached the sermon. |
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And you didn’t get in the church? |
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No, sir. |
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Was Tom in the church? |
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I ‘aint sure whether he was or not, I think he was. |
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Did you see Tom out there on the outside when you were out there? |
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No, sir, I was not talking to him. |
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Well did you see him? |
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No, I don’t remember of seeing him. |
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And is the burying ground right near the church? |
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No, sir. |
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How far from the church? |
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Nine miles. |
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Did you go to the burying ground? |
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No, sir. |
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Did Tom go to the burying ground? |
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Yes, sir, I think he did. |
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Now after the night of the shooting you went home about twelve o’clock did you - - or three o’clock? |
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About three o’clock. |
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And what time did you go over to the Golden premises the next day? |
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Well I got up early, I got up about five o’clock, done what chores there was and went right over. |
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Did you see Dr. Smith there? |
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The next day? |
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Yes, or that night? |
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Yes, sir, I seen him there that night. |
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Did you have any talk with him? |
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No, not individually. We were all talking. He sat there in the store talking. |
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Did either one of the deputies ask you why you didn’t attempt to stop this man? |
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No, sir. |
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They didn’t ask you that? |
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No, sir. |
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Did anybody ask you to go and hunt that man up? |
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Yes, sir, Ed Brown asked me to go out with him the next morning. |
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Did you do it? |
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I offered to, yes, sir. |
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But you didn’t carry that out I suppose? |
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I carried out my part just as long as I could. |
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Did it rain that night of the 23rd day of April? |
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I don’t think it did. |
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Was the road in such condition that you could see tracks there? |
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I couldn’t see any tracks the next morning. You see there was people coming there all that night until twelve o’clock. |
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Did you go down the road or anywhere and try to find any tracks? |
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Yes, sir, me and Mr. Woodbury went down the railroad. |
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Did you find any? |
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We found one track, yes, sir. |
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What did that look like? |
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Well it was quite a big broad track. |
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Did you measure it? |
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No, sir. |
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Did Mr. Woodbury? |
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I don’t think he did. |
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Was that about in the direction this man ran? |
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Yes, sir, as near as I could describe. |
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Just found the track of one shoe? |
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Oh no, there was a track down the railroad there. |
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Was that along side of the track where you saw that? |
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No, I think it was just inside of the rail. |
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How many times did you see Mrs. Golden and talk to her after that evening? |
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Quite a number of times. |
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Quite a number of times? |
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Yes, sir, most every night, she ran the store there for short time. |
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Did you ever do any work for Martin Golden yourself? |
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Yes, sir. |
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What did you do for me? |
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I milked a cow and put out the switch lights a couple of times. |
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Did you ever attend the store for him? |
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I never tended the store, I have been in the store there alone several times. |
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You tended store then for him didn’t you? |
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I never tended what you would call the store, he has left me in the store several times and went out different places. |
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How many different times do you think he has ever left you there in the store |
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Well he used to leave me there quite often and go and do little things outside. He left me there a couple of times and went to put his switch lights out. |
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Did he ever leave you there in the store, alone in the store for some little time? |
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Oh he left me there while he went and put the switch lights out, that would take him maybe fifteen or twenty minutes. |
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Did you ever wait on any customers during that time? |
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No, sir, if there was any customers I would go and call his wife, he never told me to wait on customers. |
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While you were there looking after the store did Tom come in occasionally? |
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He never come in there while I was there alone. |
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Did you ever tell him that you looked after the store sometimes? |
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I didn’t have that privilege of looking after the store. |
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I don’t mean that, but you watched it while he went out and put out switch lights? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Do you know what ever became of the revolver that Martin Golden had? |
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For a couple of weeks afterwards his brother-in-law had it I think - - William FitzPatrick. |
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Where does he live - - right west of you? |
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Yes, sir. |
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Do you know whether he has got it now or not? |
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No, sir I don’t know. |
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Did you ever hear him say to whom he delivered it? |
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I never asked him. |
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Can you describe that revolver that he had? |
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Why I could describe it in a way. |
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Just describe it as near as you can. |
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I have never seen the revolver, I have never had the revolver in my hand but just seen it in Marts and in the show case, he kept it in the show case there unloaded. |
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Describe it as near as you can. |
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It was a fair sized revolver, I won’t say what caliber, I never inspected it, and bright steel, I think a leather handle. |
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A leather handle? |
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A rubber handle I guess. |
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And silver mounted was it? |
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No, I think it was nickel mounted. |
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Then you don’t know how many chambers? |
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No, sir, I don’t. |
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About how long was it? |
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Well it was fair size, I should say maybe that long. (witness indicating) |
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About six or eight inches? |
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Yes, sir, possibly, I don’t think it was eight inches long, maybe six inches long. |
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Was it one of these hammers sunk into the barrel so that it was hammerless? |
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No, it was not hammerless. |
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And you said on our direct examination that you thought this man was slightly heavier than this respondent? |
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I thought he was, yes, sir. |
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MR. TURNER: That is all. |
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MR. COBURN: That is all. |