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CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. PARKS.

Q

That is the first time you had seen Mr. Shimmel for about a week, wasn’t it?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

Did you see him the week before?

A

(No response)

Q

You saw him the week before didn’t you - - Mr. Shimmel?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

Did you meet him on the road?

A

No.

Q

Where did you see him the week before, was he at your house?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

He was at your house.  And how many days the week before did you see Mr. Shimmel?

A

I don’t know.

Q

Two or three days - - was he at your place for dinner or supper or breakfast any day the week before?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

What was it, breakfast or dinner - - dinner wasn’t it?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

How long did he stay there?

A

Until they got the threshing done.

Q

Did he thresh just the week before that?

A

    ALFRED ADKIN:  The boy does not know what he is talking about.

Q

You have seen Mr. Shimmel a great many times haven’t you?

A

Yes, sir.

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Q

And you have seen him off and on all that summer - - didn’t you?

A

No response.

Q

Now the day that you met Mr. Shimmel in the road with our father, that was since he was at your place and threshed wasn’t it.

A

Yes, sir.

Q

And he was there and assisted in the threshing last fall?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

Did Mr. Shimmel ever work at your father’s place?

A

In threshing.

Q

Just there threshing.  That was last fall?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

And then you saw him after that at other places threshing, didn’t you?

A

No response.

Q

Did you see him threshing at any other peoples place around where you live?

A

No.

Q

That’s the only place?

A

Yes.

Q

But you have seen him off and on for the last six or eight months every week or so?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

Go past your place did he, did you meet him in the road?

A

I passed him when I was going to school.

Q

Was he afoot?

A

Sometimes.

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Q

Was that this spring or last fall?

A

Last fall.

Q

How was he dressed when you met him last fall when you were going to school, did he have a white had on?

A

I don’t remember.

Q

Or did he wear a straw hat - - did he have an overcoat on when you met him when you were going to school?

A

No response.

Q

You don’t remember?

A

No response.

Q

Do you remember the conversation that your father had with him at the time that you met him in the road?

A

No.

Q

Did you hear your father that day that you were out with him and you say you met Mr. Shimmel talk with any of the other people that you met about Mr. Golden being murdered?

A

No response.

Q

Mr. Shimmel is the only man that your father talked with that day about the murder, isn’t he.

A

Yes, sir.

Q

And did you stop at any other houses after dinner that day before you met Mr. Shimmel?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

About how many houses did you stop at?

A

One.

Q

But your father didn’t say anything to the people there about Mr. Golden being murdered, did he?

A

I don’t know.

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Q

Were you right around where he was at the time - - you usually sat on the wagon I suppose?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

You go out about every week with your father don’t you, about that time, buying rags and iron?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

And do you go to Muskegon with him with the iron and rags?

A

Sometimes.

Q

When you went to Muskegon do you remember of ever meeting Mr. Shimmel on the road when you were going to Muskegon?

A

No.

Q

Never met him when you were going to Muskegon, but you say you have seen him for the last six or eight months about every week?

A

Not every week.

Q

For how many summers have you went around with your father buying rags and iron?

A

I don’t know.

Q

Just last summer was it?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

Now you say that Mr. Shimmel that time that you met him had a black hat on.  How do you remember that he had a black hat on?

A

Because I looked at his clothes.

Q

Did Mr. Lillie tell you that he had a black hat on?

A

No.

Q

Did he tell you that he had a coat on that came down about to his knees - - that is this gentleman here with the gray hair?

A

No.

Q

Did your father tell you how Mr. Shimmel was dressed?

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A

No.

Q

Did you ever talk with him about how he was dressed since?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

When - - just here recently?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

Have you ever told anybody how Mr. Shimmel was dressed that day that you met him since then except just the last few days?

A

No.

Q

Never told anybody?

A

Nothing but Mr. Lillie.

Q

And that is when Mr. Lillie described his dress?

A

No response.

Q

And you never told anybody that he had blue overalls on until you talked to Mr. Lillie, did you?

A

No one but my papa.

Q

When did you tell your father that he had blue overalls on - - just here the other day?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

And your father told you how he was dressed, didn’t he.

A

No.

Q

Did your father tell you that he had an overcoat on?

A

No.

Q

You say you cannot tell how he was dressed the day you met him when you went to school - - you don’t know whether he had an overcoat on or not?

A

No, sir.

Q

You don’t know whether he had a black felt hat on or a straw hat?

A

No.

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Q

You don’t know whether he had black trousers on or blue overalls?

A

No.

MR. PARK:  That is all

MR. LILLIE:  That is all

Lloyd Adkin

Subscribed & sworn to before me this first day of July 1907

Daniel C. Wachs

Justice of the Peace