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Q

Now did you ever see this man Shimmal before?

A

I have.

Q

Where did you see him?

A

I have saw him in Sullivan.

Q

Were you in Sullivan?

A

I used to work up there.

Q

Whom did you work for?

A

I worked for different parties up there, I worked for Kleis, I worked for Munger.

Q

What did you do for Kleis?

A

Made ties.

Q

And did you do the same business for Munger?

A

I made ties and peeled bark both for Munger.

Q

Are those the only two people that you worked for in Sullivan?

A

No, sir, I worked for Baird up there, Chancey Baird.

Q

Who else?

A

I worked for Lillie and Burke.

Q

How long were you in Sullivan altogether?

A

About two years and a half.

Q

How long ago was that?

A

About twenty years ago.

Q

And have you ever seen Bill Shimmel since the time that you worked in Sullivan up to the time you saw him in Nunica?

A

I have.

Q

Where did you see him?

A

(No response)

Q

I will withdraw that question.  Where did you see Bill Shimmel the last time you saw him before you saw him in your saloon on

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Q

The 23^rd day of April?

A

Well I couldn’t tell you where I saw him the last time.

Q

Why can’t you tell with such a peculiar looking man as bill is - - couldn’t you tell where you saw him the last time - - you were pretty well acquainted with him down there weren’t you?

A

Not awful well acquainted with him but then I saw him enough to know who he is.

Q

And yet you cannot tell the last time you saw him before you saw him in Nunica?

A

I cannot.

Q

How long do you think it was?

A

About - - oh I don’t know just how long it is.

Q

Was it ten years?

A

Possibly that long, possibly a little longer.

Q

And had he changed considerable in that time?

A

I cannot see as he has changed any to amount to anything.

Q

Now this was the first time you had seen him in your place at Nunica, was it?

A

Yes, sir.

Q

And you say he left there somewheres around about four o’clock?

A

Somewheres around about four or after.

Q

Did you notice where he went to?

A

I did not.

Q

You never paid any particular attention to that?

A

No, sir, I did not.

Q

Who did he go out with?

A

He went out alone.

Q

Did he come in with anybody?

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A

No, sir.

Q

Did he talk with anybody while he was in there?

A

He was talking with the boys around, especially that Frenchman, him and the Frenchman was telling stories.

Q

And you paid no attention of course to what was being said?

A

Not outside of the stories.

Q

What kind of clothes did he have on?

A

He had on a hat.

Q

What kind of a hat was it?

A

Why it was a slouch hat.

Q

Was it black or white?

A

Well it wasn’t rally a black hat nor a white hat, it was supposed to be a black hat I suppose when it was bought.

Q

And what kind of a coat did he have on?

A

He had on an overcoat that come down pretty near to his knees.

Q

A black overcoat?

A

Well it was faded.

Q

But it was supposed to be black?

A

I suppose so when it was bought.

Q

And did you notice any of the rest of his clothes?

A

No.

Q

Did he have that overcoat on all the time that he was in your place?

A

He did.

Q

Did you have a pretty good fire there?

A

I did.

Q

Did he drink anything while he was in your place?

A

Not to amount to anything.

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Q

Did he drink anything?

A

Yes, sir

Q

If you remember, what did he dink?

A

When he first came in he took a glass of whiskey and then before he went out off and on he took two or three glasses of beer.

Q

Now then did he appear to have any amount of money with him at that time when he paid for those drinks?

A

He did not.

Q

What did he pay you with?

A

He gave me a quarter.

Q

Did you see him have any more money there than the quarter?

A

I didn’t see him have any more, no.

Q

Where did he take the quarter from?

A

Out of his pocket.

Q

Which pocket?

A

I couldn’t tell you which pocket he took it out of.

Q

You couldn’t tell which pocket he took it out of?

A

I don’t generally look at a man to see where he has got his money.

Q

You don’t generally look at a man’s pocket?

A

No, sir.

Q

You feel in?

A

I am kind of in the habit of that.

Q

Let me ask you this question.  Who did you tell that this was Bill Shimmel that day?

A

I told Fremont Brown and Griswold.

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Q

And they all asked you did they?

A

They were the principal ones asking me who he was.

Q

And you pointed him out to them did you or did they point him out to you?

A

They asked me who that man was in there and I told them.

Q

Are those the only people that you told?

A

Why I might have told others who he was but they were the particular ones talking to me.

Q

Now will you tell me - - I don’t want to prolong this thing, but I want to get just as near as I can your exact answers to those gentlemen when they asked you who that man was.

A

Well I couldn’t tell you whether I told them just exactly it was Bill Shimmel.  He went around by the name of Whispering Bill

Q

Whispering Bill or Whistling Bill?

A

Whispering Bill.  If anybody spoke of him they generally spoke of him as Whispering Bill Shimmel.

Q

Is that the way you described him to those gentlemen or did you say it was Bill Shimmel?

A

I might have said it was Bill Shimmel or Whispering Bill as they called him.

Q

Is that the only thing that was said?

A

Well there was a lot others said but I cannot recall what was said.

Q

Not particularly about him was there?

A

No.

Q

That was all you said about him

A

That is all I can recall now.